Tips for New Internal Auditors

Starting a new job can be both exhilarating and daunting at first, and starting a new job as an internal auditor is no different. Internal audit is a unique and continuously evolving profession where internal auditors play a critical role in an organization’s operations and corporate governance. Internal auditors use their experience and knowledge of laws, regulations, and organizational policies to examine and analyze an organization’s financials and identify potential occurrences of noncompliance, fund misappropriation, and other risks to the organization. Becoming an internal auditor is rewarding and has a great opportunity for professional development and advancement. Here is what new internal auditors should do to be successful in their career.

Seek a mentor

All internal auditors, whether this is your first year as an internal auditor or you have over 25 years of auditing experience, can benefit from having a mentor. Mentors help internal auditors understand their profession and career opportunities. It is important to find a suitable mentor who has more industry experience, shares similar values or goals, and is someone you admire. The right mentor should be your biggest ally and have a passion for teaching while allowing you to be your own advocate.

Learn and understand the basics of internal auditing and how to conduct an audit

To begin in this field, you must learn the standards that govern the process. The IIA Standards on performance explain the processes for planning, performing, reporting, and following up on audit engagements. The sooner you become familiar with these concepts, the faster you will be able to understand and apply this knowledge for developing and performing internal audits.

Relax and stay calm

When starting a new job, internal auditors tend to put an immense amount of pressure on themselves to be perfect. Internal audit is known for having a steep learning curve, so new auditors should take a deep breath, relax, and know that you are not alone. There will be other auditors, managers, and directors to help you learn your department’s procedures and answer any questions you may have.

Know your limits and when to ask for help

One of the hardest things for new internal auditors to learn is when to speak up and ask for help. Auditing is very technical, and it is highly unlikely that a new internal auditor will be a compliance, accounting, or fraud expert overnight. Do not spend hours trying to figure things out on your own. Rather, seek guidance from a more experienced colleague who can help you. Knowing your limits and knowing when to ask for help can save you time and reduce frustration and misunderstandings.

Be eager to learn and develop new skills

As an internal auditor, you analyze a variety of processes and interact with all levels of employees and subject matter experts. Do not be afraid to ask questions that will help you understand what you are auditing. As time goes on and you gain more experience, you will learn that internal audit is about striking a balance between understanding the big picture and focusing on the small details. Having a good knowledge of your organization’s policies, procedures, and risks will make you a standout internal auditor.

Sharpen your communication skills

Although communication skills are essential in any job, internal audit requires developing two key skill sets: effective writing and effective interviewing. An internal auditor’s writing should be objective and clear, making compelling arguments that present your audit results effectively. For successful interviews, internal auditors must be prepared, ask the right questions, listen, take good notes, and confirm their understanding of the processes and controls being audited. It is also extremely important that the interview is not one-sided but flows naturally from both sides.

Be a sponge by listening and absorbing all the information

As an internal auditor, you will have the opportunity to interact with, and learn from, all levels of employees, including interns, associates, managers, VPs, and directors. You can learn something from everyone you encounter, so be open-minded and receptive. Take note of the valuable skills others possess, such as communication, organization, leadership, and networking skills and learn from them.

Volunteer and get involved in areas outside of your comfort zone

New internal auditors are usually assigned to a variety of different audit engagements before they begin to specialize in certain areas or become subject matter experts. Learn as much as possible from your different engagements, and volunteer to be put on engagements that are not so glamorous, ones you know nothing about, or topics you want to learn more about. By exploring different assignments, you may find a preference for a particular area and may have the opportunity to work with a subject matter expert. If you volunteer to get involved in areas you are unfamiliar with, management and others will take notice of the effort. Your passion may be hidden somewhere you would have not explored if you did not push yourself.

Join a professional network or organization

Consider joining networks or organizations that support and cater to your interests, professional growth, and development. These groups usually offer members training opportunities to help you enhance your skills and stay current on auditing news and publications. Becoming a member of network groups or organizations can also help you grow your professional network and learn about other career opportunities.

Enjoy the experience

You are only a new internal auditor for a brief time. The beginning of your internal audit experience should be embraced because there is no other time in your auditing career when so much knowledge is obtained in such a short period. In addition to the new experiences and learning curve, new auditors are exposed to a vast array of unique individuals with wonderful backgrounds and experiences. Embrace the relationships you develop and the things you learn along the way. But most importantly, enjoy the journey!

On the Merits of Subtraction, a Discussion of Audit Documentation

Time spent on one task is time we cannot spend on other tasks; this is the law of opportunity cost. As internal auditors with limited time and an almost infinite supply of things that demand our attention, it is imperative that we prioritize efficient time management practices. Audit documentation practices may often be overlooked but can account for a significant amount of time spent on each engagement. Excessive audit documentation does not add value to the engagement and expends valuable time that could alternatively be used to expand audit coverage and increase effectiveness. This article encourages auditors to review their current practices and look for ways to reduce excessive audit documentation.

First Horse, Then Cart

Before diving into a project to get rid of unnecessary audit documentation, it is important first to understand the primary purpose of audit documentation, along with the documentation requirements stipulated in the IIA’s Global Internal Audit Standards. Fortunately, the section addressing audit documentation in the most-recent Standards (released on January 9, 2024) is a relatively brief two pages, and the language is not overly prescriptive, which should allow internal audit shops flexibility when implementing their individual documentation practices. The Standards provide the primary purpose of audit documentation and define the target audience with Standard 14.6:

“Internal auditors must document information and evidence to support the engagement results. The analyses, evaluations, and supporting information relevant to an engagement must be documented such that an informed, prudent internal auditor, or similarly informed and competent person, could repeat the work and derive the same engagement results.”

The key takeaways here are that documentation should always focus on supporting the conclusions of the engagement, and that documentation can be structured in a way that assumes a large degree of competence on the individuals who rely on the documentation (e.g., workpaper reviewers). If documentation does not support the engagement results, then it likely is not necessary and should be omitted from the workpapers. The Standards make it clear that the documentation can be tailored to a highly competent audience. Since a highly competent audience can be expected to more easily read between the lines, auditors may be able to significantly reduce the amount of detail included in the workpapers and thereby save lots of time for both the preparer and reviewer.

For those who comply with the IIA’s Standards, it is mandatory that their audit documentation practices meet or exceed the requirements. However, any additional time auditors spend on exceeding the Standards’ requirements is time that cannot be spent addressing other important audit priorities. While it may make sense for audit documentation to occasionally be more robust than that prescribed by the Standards, auditors would be wise to periodically assess their documentation procedures and determine where the fat can be trimmed.

The remainder of this article provides concrete examples for auditors to consider when examining their audit documentation protocols.

Just Say No to Redundancies

Documenting something on more than one workpaper at least doubles the work for both the preparer and reviewer. Therefore, much time and effort can be reduced by simply looking for redundancies in workpapers.

A good place to start is audit findings, since these may often be documented in multiple locations, including supporting source documentation, testing workpapers, audit programs, audit software widgets, etc. It may be sufficient to document audit findings in only one location, such as in an audit program or findings summary document. Remember that auditors should only include enough documentation so that a competent auditor could replicate their results. For a simpler finding or one that occurs frequently in many audits, a competent auditor might easily be able to reach the same conclusion with merely a brief reference to the finding in the audit program. Limiting redundant finding references will also make things go much more smoothly if the review process results in the modification, consolidation, or elimination of audit findings, as fewer workpapers will need to be modified.

Listing the full names and titles of individuals in multiple workpapers also adds extra time. While it does not take long to type out an individual’s full name and title, the time will really add up if names and titles of multiple individuals are listed on multiple workpapers. A simple hack is to use a name and titles index workpaper or organizational chart. This will allow the reviewer to reference a single workpaper to determine relevant employee titles, and preparers will not have to wonder whether they have already defined an employee’s title in documents where employees are mentioned multiple times, such as in process narratives.

Use Process Narratives Strategically – and Sparingly!

Usage of narrative structure has many benefits. In a recent interview with popular podcaster Lex Fridman, former Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos recounted how Amazon meetings often begin with executives reading a six-page, narratively structured memo on the topic at hand, in contrast to the conventional meeting structured around the ubiquitous PowerPoint presentation. Bezos points out a significant drawback of using tools like PowerPoint when discussing complex topics:

“[A] problem with PowerPoint[s], they’re often just bullet points. And you can hide a lot of sloppy thinking behind bullet points. When you have to write in complete sentences with narrative structure, it’s really hard to hide sloppy thinking. So…it forces the author to be at their best, and so you’re getting…their best thinking and then you don’t have to spend a lot of time trying to tease that thinking out of the person.”

Many of us can relate to Bezos’ mention of hiding sloppy thinking when broadly summarizing a topic. In contrast, having to elaborate our thoughts using a narrative format often blatantly reveals this sloppy thinking and prompts us to dig further and ask additional questions. Often the result is a much more solid understanding of the subject area than we would have otherwise had if we had not been writing with a narrative structure. In internal audit where auditors must quickly get up to speed on a multitude of complex topics, using narrative memos can clearly be a beneficial tool to help them better understand the audit area and increase the effectiveness of audits. This may especially be the case when dealing with more complex topics that demand extremely lucid analysis, so auditors should not necessarily shy away from using narrative memos when it is appropriate.

That said, it is important to consider the downsides of using narrative memos so that they do not become a drag on productivity and efficiency. While the benefits of narrative memos are vast, there is no such thing as a free lunch, and the substantial time it takes to prepare and review narrative memos must be weighed against these benefits. In that same interview, Bezos was quick to point out the significant costs of preparing the six-page narrative memos:

“It’s hard to write a six-page memo. A good six-page memo might take two weeks to write. You have to write it, you have to rewrite it, you have to edit it, you have to talk to people about it.”

Bezos’ description of the challenges of writing a good narrative memo will not come as a surprise to anyone who has had to write a memo on a complex audit topic. With that in mind, auditors should carefully weigh the pros of using the narrative format with the fact that using it may add substantial time to the audit. Consideration should be given to both the complexity of the topic or process to be covered, along with its importance as support for the overall audit conclusions. If the topic or process scores low on both criteria — that is, if it is a relatively simple topic or process and is not critical for support of important audit conclusions — then consider whether it can be more efficiently summarized via another medium, such as covering it in an audit program step or with a basic process map.

If the narrative format ultimately is used, though, reviewers should not hesitate to give constructive feedback to audit staff who include too much irrelevant information. This feedback will ensure that audit staff always have management’s priority for conciseness at top of mind.

An Audit is Not a Criminal Trial

To be convicted of a crime in the U.S., one must be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Not so for audit findings, especially in internal audit. While audit documentation should clearly demonstrate how conclusions were determined, it is not always necessary to consider all possible alternatives and defenses to identified issues. This is especially the case when issues have been discussed with management as they have been uncovered and everyone agrees with the findings. It is also important to remember that internal auditors typically prioritize a proactive focus in their engagements. Auditors need to identify which processes and controls are broken so that they can be fixed, not because they want to point fingers and demonize employees for their past mistakes. Often, more time should be spent working with management to ensure they implement audit recommendations that mitigate risks identified during the audit than on documenting evidence for audit findings.

The Little Things

Be on the lookout for small inefficiencies that may add up. For instance, if multiple auditors rely on the same procedures, consider developing a standard tick mark legend that can be copied and pasted into each audit, rather than having auditors manually create one for each individual audit. Watch for over-referencing or over-ticking, considering whether a prudent auditor could follow the workpapers without the extra work. Consider annotating the first document in a large sample as a guide for finding the information in the rest of the sample. Ensure auditors are not spending too much time on PDFs with excessive highlighting, boxing, and linking that does not actually make it easier for that competent reviewer to understand the work performed. While it may be tempting for reviewers to ignore the little things to avoid seeming pedantic, keep in mind that these things add up. This is especially true if internal audit shops are in the habit of always adding rather than subtracting.

Addition by Subtraction

In his 2021 book, “Subtract: The Untapped Science of Less,” author Leidy Klotz points out the human tendency to add things rather than subtract. While addition is often necessary and useful, we often fail to consider subtraction as an option, even in cases when it may be more apt. Klotz makes it clear that he is not prioritizing one over the other, but notes that since we so often fail to consider subtraction as an option, there is much “untapped potential” to be gained by simplifying. If auditors only focus on what they can add to enhance their documentation, they might be missing easy improvements. Do not ignore that low hanging fruit! Consider which audit documentation can be subtracted to make audits more efficient and effective.

Poll: Who Is Using AI?

With the explosion of free artificial intelligence software at our fingertips, are we ready to embrace the future and utilize AI in our audit engagements?

At the 2023 AuditCon, there were numerous presentations about AI capabilities and how they will affect our world. From the dangers of undetectable plagiarism to the ease of summarizing income tax rules, the applications are far and wide.

Attendees went to the Whova app to consult with their peers on the use of ChatGPT and other AI software in their audit work. One poll showed nearly half of the voters were starting to dabble in AI.

Many auditors said they are already experimenting with the technology for work or personal reasons. Those already working with AI use it to create email communications, identifying common findings, and creating custom photos for reports and presentations. Many have found ChatGPT useful during the planning phase of an audit to generate risks and audit step procedures as part of the brainstorming process. Members said they are “using it cautiously” and are testing search results before relying on the data.

Presenters encouraged universities to establish AI policies for students and researchers alike. Another Whova poll said half of the auditors surveyed have already discussed AI with senior leadership.

Granted, the number of poll respondents was limited, but we at the C&U Journal think these percentages will change soon and that most audit shops will adopt this new technology to enhance their engagements. Are you benefiting from using ChatGPT in your shop? Please share your examples of AI success with us at editor@acua.org for a future story.

ACUA History Challenge

Did you know that ACUA used to give out numbered certificates to member institutions?  This fun fact was shared with the ACUA Board, prompting several ACUA members to share photos of their certificates. Many proud institutions still hang these certificates in their offices! 

Original ACUA Membership Certifications

The search was on for the oldest certificate. The University of Washington thought their September 6, 1961, certificate was the oldest until Tanya Satterfield at the University of Mississippi shared their certificate dating back to September 10, 1959, just one year after ACUA was founded. Tanya and her colleagues proudly displayed the certificate at the 2023 AuditCon in Miami. 

Tanya Satterfield and University of Mississippi colleagues with their certificate at AuditCon.
Currently the oldest membership certificate.

The ACUA booth at Audit Con also displayed other ACUA artifacts from the past 65 years, including directories, information packets, conference agendas, coasters, and even old diskettes.  

ACUA artifacts

For those of you who like a challenge, if you have a Membership Certificate older than 1959 or have any “vintage” ACUA artifacts, please send a photo of your items to Toni Stephens at tstephens@utdallas.edu.  ACUA plans to collect and share these artifacts to preserve our great history!

ACUA 2023 Award Winners and Board Members

Member Excellence in Service Award

Justin Noble was selected for the Member Excellence in Service Award, which recognizes a member who has made outstanding contributions to the mission of ACUA through exceptional service.  Justin is the Chief Audit Executive at Virginia Tech and has served in numerous ACUA roles, including Distance Learning Chairman (2012-14), Board Member-at-Large (2014-17), Vice President (2017-18), President (2018-19), Immediate Past President (2019-2020), and Nominating Committee Chair (2019-20).

Outstanding Professional Contributions Award

Carolyn Saint was chosen for the Outstanding Professional Contributions Award, which recognizes a member who has made outstanding and noteworthy contributions to the profession of internal auditing in higher education.  Carolyn is the Chief Audit Executive at the University of Virginia and chaired the Institute of Internal Auditors’ (IIA) North American Board of Directors.  

Rising Star Award

Erica Smith received the Rising Star Award that recognizes an “up-and-coming” member who has made significant individual contributions in the areas of internal audit, compliance, or risk management that furthers the mission of ACUA.  Erica is a Principal Auditor at the University of Tennessee and has served as the ACUA Audit Interactive Conference Director.  Erica also is the incoming Professional Education Committee Chair.

Please make sure to congratulate our 2023 award winners and thank them for their outstanding work on behalf of ACUA and the profession!

Board Members

The 2023-2024 ACUA Board of Directors officially assumed their new roles at AuditCon.  Marion Candrea, Associate Vice President of Internal Audit & Advisory Services at Boston University, succeeds Melissa Hall as ACUA President; Melissa will continue her work with the Board in her role as Immediate Past President.  Laura Buchhorn, Assistant Audit Director at the University of Texas San Antonio, will serve as Vice President, and Eulonda Whitmore, Associate Vice President and Chief Audit Executive at Wayne State University, will serve as Secretary and Treasurer.  The following members will round out the Board in their role as Board Member-at-Large:

  • Jana Clark, Chief Audit Executive at Kansas State University
  • William Hancock, Jr., Audit Manager at Auburn University
  • Andre’ McMillan, Director of Internal Audit at the University of Delaware
  • Deidre Melton, Associate Vice President for Audit and Chief Risk Officer at Florida A&M University
  • Kara Kearney-Saylor, Director of Internal Audit at the University of Buffalo

Letter from the Editor

Hello ACUA Members!

Last week my county’s Superior Court summoned me for jury duty. I wound up being Juror #9 in a short two-day trial. The experience was nowhere as humorous as the Amazon Prime Video series “Jury Duty,” but it had its moments. While doing my civic duty was a bit of an inconvenience, it provided an interesting mental break. My only job was to listen and apply reason. No phones, emails, meetings, or daily distractions. Just calming focus.

I realized conducting an audit is like serving every position in a trial simultaneously. Like the attorneys, we must find facts, both positive and negative, and learn from our key witnesses and subject matter experts. We carefully document our workpapers, like the tireless court reporter capturing every word. As a judge, we keep the engagement relevant and on track until we, as our own jury, come to our conclusions.

One key difference is in a trial, you only measure against the law. Not what you think it should be, not what would be best. As auditors we have the amazing opportunity to go beyond merely judging compliance. We create recommendations to make things better. That is our value.

Like a law library, this issue of the C&U Journal adds several great resources to our collection. Ken Lish and Billy McCain from the National Science Foundation share their Promising Practices for NSF Award Management report, a must read for research universities. In a nod to October’s cybersecurity month, Bruce Tong presents his favorite IT tests when performing departmental audits, David Clark from BDO shares ways to leverage technology during audits, and Sabine Charles discusses authentication factors. Agnessa Vartanova invites you to consider culture in audits. Our ACUA news section includes award winners, an AI poll, and an artifact challenge.

As we strive to complete our audits before the hectic holiday season, let’s not forget the importance of listening and applying reason.

Sincerely,
Kara Hefner

Letter from the President

Hello ACUA! I’d like to start by expressing my sincere gratitude and excitement about serving as your ACUA President for the upcoming year. This organization is near and dear to my heart and has been my professional home for learning, growing, and serving for more than a decade.
 
We had a fantastic AuditCon conference in Miami in September, where we had the second highest member attendance in ACUA’s history with over 470 attendees! I want to take a minute to personally thank all of our Professional Education Committee volunteers and ACUA staff for their hard work in creating an exceptional conference experience. As I reflect on the week spent together, I am immensely proud of the dedication and enthusiasm displayed by our members. The exchange of knowledge and vibrant discussions within this organization is so inspiring and makes me very excited for the year ahead!
 
During AuditCon, I spoke to the continually challenging economic landscape within our industry. This year, it is imperative for us to remain adaptive and resilient as we navigate the complexities posed by these challenges. Our Professional Education Committee is already beginning to prepare for a virtual spring conference that will provide opportunities for continued learning and collaboration. Stay tuned for more details in the coming weeks.
 
There are many ways in which our members have the ability to share their knowledge and expertise, which is truly what makes this organization so great. I would encourage anyone reading this to reflect on how you might use your time and talent to share your insight with others. For some that might be writing a Journal article, for others it might be partnering up with another auditor to create a Kick Starter. And I would be remiss if I did not also plug the tremendous value of raising your hand for a volunteer role! It could be the opportunity that forever changes your professional future.
 
In closing, I would like to extend my gratitude to Immediate Past President Melissa Hall. Her unwavering commitment and leadership have guided this organization through a year of challenges and successes. She leaves big shoes to fill, but I look forward to continuing the momentum she has built over the past year.  
 
Wishing all happiness and health as we move into the holiday season,
 
Marion Candrea, Boston University
ACUA President

What’s on Your Audit Plan?

Every Spring, university audit shops must determine what to include on their audit plan for the next fiscal year. The Chief Audit Executive performs a risk assessment, seeks input from senior leadership, reviews strategic plans and industry trends, and analyzes resources to form an effective plan. While every college and university has unique individual risks and goals, common audit themes emerge and change from year to year.

Most Beneficial Audits of FY23

The ACUA Journal polled the membership and asked which engagements were the most impactful from Fiscal Year 2023. Out of the 58 surveys submitted, 33% of the responses said cybersecurity was most critical. Higher education institutions maintain a wide range of sensitive data, including academic records, student financial details and health care information, along with sensitive research and financial information. Colleges and universities continue to be victims of phishing and ransomware attacks. It is not surprising that cybersecurity audits top the list. Information Technology (IT) general controls and user access were other important IT audits.

Audits of human resources was the second highest, at 16% of responses. This is likely due to employment changes due to the pandemic, with some campuses auditing work from home practices. Payroll audits were beneficial at three universities.

Research security was third highest, at 9% of responses. This topic goes hand in hand with general cybersecurity, as research and study subject data is highly sensitive and desirable. Other topics included foreign influence and research administration, operations, and post-award reviews. Grant funding reviews were noted, including HEERF and CARES pandemic funding grants.

Athletics, admissions, and minors on campus were also noted as the most beneficial audits. See the complete list below:

Table showing FY23 most beneficial audits.

Hot Audit Topics for FY24

he ACUA Journal asked for the “hot” audit topics on the FY24 audit plan, and the responses were surprisingly diverse. Of the 62 topics offered, no single topic received more than six votes. This speaks to the wide risk universe present at colleges and universities. The hottest topics were contracted services with third parties and a repeat of cybersecurity, each with 10%. Research compliance, a perennial favorite, was third on the list with four votes.

Admissions is receiving more attention this year, with planned audits of course fees, enrollment, scholarships, student aid, and student fees. Name, image and likeness (NIL) appeared on the athletics topics. Diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) and environmental, social and governance (ESG) are increasing in importance this year. Three universities are in various stages of auditing Workday software implementation.

Campus safety, including minors on campus and lab safety, are hot topics this year. There is also an interest in auditing student life, with planned audits of study abroad and student mental health. Familiar financial audits like purchasing cards, segregation of duties, and competitive bids round out the list. The complete list of hot audit topics for FY24 are below:

Table listing hot audit topics for FY24.

Common Audit Plan Favorites

In addition to the hot and emerging topics, there is value in considering recurring internal audit projects with sizable risk. Here are some of the most common college and university audit topics by category:

  • Admissions – admissions review
  • Athletics – NCAA compliance
  • Capital Projects – construction and contracts
  • Financial Management – travel and entertainment review, purchasing card review, payroll
  • Human Resources – hiring, retention, terminations and DEI
  • Information Technology – system implementation, IT general controls, access, disaster recovery, data privacy and cybersecurity
  • Operations – college general controls, centers and institutes
  • Research – sponsored award administrative review, foreign influence, conflict of interest, effort reporting
  • Student Life – housing, Greek life

Whether your work plan includes emerging trends, classic engagements, or a combination of both, it should be tailored to your college or university’s risks and strategic plans to ensure internal audit resources address your specific business processes and risk drivers. Even the best audit plan needs to be agile and budget for contingencies.

Share Your Expertise: ACUA Mentorship Program

The ACUA mentorship program is in its 7th year of pairing those new to internal audit, higher education, and/or seeking professional development with experienced ACUA mentors. The program promotes networking, sharing knowledge, and professional growth, and is a no-cost member benefit. There are currently eighteen pairings for this fiscal year. Once a mentee is matched with a mentor, the two usually meet at AuditCon or virtually to start their fiscal year commitment, which often includes monthly or bimonthly meetings.

Patrick McKinney, Director of Internal Audit at The University of Texas, is the new director of the program and is in charge of matching mentee applicants with mentors. Mentees complete a questionnaire that includes key interest areas, such as creating audit plans, audit program management, creating a new audit function, and working with senior management). Mentors also complete an application that lists their strengths, time availability, institution type and size, and information about past experience. The program is currently in need of additional mentors.

“Give it a Shot.”

New mentor Matt Walsh, Audit Director at Texas Tech, wasn’t sure what to expect from the program. He volunteered because he wanted to give back to his profession and get more involved with ACUA. He met his mentee, who was new to internal audit, on a Zoom call. Walsh asked what she wanted to get out of the program, which was to learn more about career progression and the path he had taken. With 10 years of audit experience, mentoring turned out to be second nature for Walsh.

They established monthly meetings to talk about career paths and her projects at a high level, staying away from specific advice and project details that could affect confidentiality. While a mentor can share ideas on projects, it is encouraged to guide mentees to their supervisors for specific implementation advice.

It is also important to steer a mentee away from complaining about their job and keep the conversation positive. A good mentor can turn the conversation around and ask what the mentee can do to improve the situation. Walsh never experienced complaining and said they had productive conversations with each meeting.

Walsh’s mentee left internal audit during the program, but he is eager to work with a new mentee in the next year. “Mentors don’t have to have experience mentoring,” Walsh said, “they just need job experience. Find out what the mentee needs and go from there.” For those considering becoming a mentor, Walsh says, “Give it a shot. It’s a great way to give back to the profession without a huge time commitment, and a good way to network.”

From Mentee to Mentor

Andre’ McMillan, Associate Director at the University of Delaware, first learned about the mentorship program through the ACUA president who paired him up with a former ACUA member from the University of Alaska. A staff member at the time, McMillan wanted input on career coaching and to better understand the industry. His mentor shared her higher education experiences with him and gave him a better understanding of what his boss was looking for in a rising leader.

The next year McMillan re-applied for the program with a different goal in mind. He had just been promoted to Associate Director and wanted to learn more about effective leadership. With his mentor’s guidance, he learned positive ways to coach his staff members, how to train and develop new staff, and learned tips on assigning work and handling promotions and disciplinary situations. Together they set goals which McMillan shared with his director.

For McMillan, the results were immediate. His mentors asked him about his goals and what he wanted to get out of the program, then established a regular meeting schedule to make mentoring a priority. He was also encouraged to reach out to his mentor on an ad hoc basis when needed. He felt comfortable with the one-on-one interaction, noting it was helpful to get an outside opinion on topics that could not easily be discussed with a direct supervisor.

This year McMillan decided to take the next step and become a mentor himself, paired with new internal auditor Brandi Fleck from the University of Oregon. He took his own mentor’s advice and listened to her needs and set up monthly Zoom meetings for their discussions.

Personalized Support

Fleck was encouraged to apply for an ACUA mentor. While Fleck had worked in research compliance for 4 years, she was new in the internal audit department shop of four employees. She was most interested in learning different methods of auditing, getting a variety of perspectives, discovering career paths, and learning ways to get involved with ACUA. Fleck met her mentor McMillan for the first time at the 2022 Audit Con in Las Vegas.

She first wanted to discuss her current audit work with her mentor. While maintaining confidentiality, she would ask McMillan questions about performing everyday work such as developing a work plan and documenting workpapers. McMillan would ask open ended questions like what is the objective, what is the control, and how can you test the control. She asked for McMillan’s opinion on how to sample non-salary payments between different departments, and McMillan shared some ideas with her. Having a mentor is not a substitute for your own supervisor, but Fleck said it helped to gain a different perspective and bring back ideas to her own department.

McMillan also shared his experiences with professional development. Fleck learned tips on how to work with difficult clients and how to not take things personally after a difficult encounter. McMillan has encouraged her to take the CIA exam and Fleck has started studying for part one.

For those unsure about starting a mentor/mentee relationship, Fleck says to, “Go for it! It’s a great way to connect and develop relationships outside of your university and to get personalized help.”

Expand ACUA Involvement

Another benefit of the program is learning how to become more involved with ACUA. McMillan has been on the Marketing Task Force and the Communications Committee, and even participated on an external quality assessment review (QAR) through ACUA. Fleck has joined the Diversity and Inclusion Committee at ACUA.

All of our mentors and mentees expressed comfort in their relationships and agree there are great people at ACUA who are committed to helping each other and share a responsibility to the profession. While there is a one-year commitment for the mentee/mentor relationship, most pairs continue to keep in touch well after that period, and the benefits can last a lifetime.

The mentorship committee will begin advertising and seeking next year’s mentors and mentees early this summer. Be on the lookout for additional information in your email, Connect ACUA, and the ACUA website. You can also reach out directly to Patrick McKinney at 512-471-0663 or Patrick.mckinney@austin.utexas.edu with any questions you may have.